(Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. Through a complicated series of delayed hearings and granted bails, Turner remained free for many months while the decision regarding her extradition was in process. MP Andrews was spurred on to the creation of this bill after seeing "Dear Zachary" at a March screening in Ottawa to which all Members of Parliament were invited. David Bagby - Risk Manager - McKinsey & Company | LinkedIn He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. -Managed leading Egyptian companies' accounts with the firm, including in the oil and gas, financial, consumer goods, real estate and automotive sectors. Kate Bagby feels her son was too trusting to agree to meet Turner at the park the day he was killed. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' Curated newsletters for curious minds. After Canadian mother killed herself and their only grandchild, U.S Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. Dear Zachary is as devastating as it is because it unravels the way bad things unravel in real life. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. They're like, `What do you mean?' Why would she say that if he wasn't? Amazon | B&N It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. One of those forgettable pieces of solipsistic pseudo-art that is essentially just a scrapbook that was released to the public and then everyone just said it was good because no one wanted to hurt anyones feelings. MORRISON: But then things changed. Typically, we meet the victim not as a person but as a dismantled puzzle to be put back together by the canny viewer, who is likewise appealed to not as a person hearing about a human catastrophe but as an analytical machine capable of sorting and weighing the relevant facts. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. What kind of headfuck must that be? David Bagby's book, Dance With the Devil, is a good read. They also have Andrews friends, like Kuenne, who remain in their current lives and with whom they can talk about Andrew. us around. Zachary didn't seem like. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. She. Kathryn Schulz, reviewing Making a Murderer recently inThe New Yorker, described howtrue-crime projects can allow for bias to masquerade as objectivity and for people (particularly victims and their families) to be reduced to plot points. Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) There were moments when something happened that had my heart beating so fast I became lightheaded and had to refocus myself. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson, California They are selfless. We'll keep this website updated as to their progress when there is news. It was for custody of their grandchild who looked exactly like his father that they moved to the city of their sons killer. Interviews with Bagbys friends and family take the place of the usual lineup of witnessesas much attention is given to the fact that he always wore shorts as to the number of times he was shotand their pain functions as evidence as the film builds a case against the Canadian bail and extradition protocols. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. It's. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. An unusually personal and powerful story of a murder, it may offer something of a counterweight to the forces of bias and prurience that often pull the genre off-track. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? You dont leave it behind. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. Dear Zachary was also a hit at Silverdocs, the AFI/Discovery Channel Documentary Film Festival over the weekend of June 21st & 22nd, where both screenings were once again met with standing ovations; Silverdocs nominated Dear Zachary for its inaugural Writers Guild of America Documentary Screenplay Award. Gruesome details, abstruse discoveries, and personal secrets are examined with a seemingly cold and impartial eye in the light of the promise that, if seen rightly, they can yield up a picture of the truth. A 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu-Ray and DVD with special artwork and packaging is available only from Oscilloscope Laboratories at the link below. Why don't you just take him?'. Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. This documentary starts out like a love letter. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? Dear Zachary - For those who've asked how Kate & David - Facebook in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. Was it a tight bond? I praise Kurt Kuenne for having the heart and determination to perfectly put together one of the most powerful documentaries I have ever watched. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. Do you understand? 1 Photo. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' Dear Zachary has been announced as the first film to launch the newly formed MSNBC Films division of MSNBC. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? Simpson advised his friend to call the cops and to not under any circumstances meet Shirley Jane Turner alone. -, "When this haunting, shattering film made its premiere at Park City's Slamdance Film Festival, it received the most sustained ovation of any film I saw this year in Park City. And that's when she said, `He loves you, more than me. He's a little bleary eyed, but. "Go into this cold and be prepared for a life-changing experience. The Bagbys still hold a bitterness when they talk about how they were failed by a legal system that let Turner out on bail and allowed her to retain custody of Zachary. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. She was deranged. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. quiet. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. Turner shot Bagby two days after he broke up with her at a Pennsylvania airport as she was set to fly back to Iowa. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. And I said, `Who?' She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. Nearly 2 decades after the murder of a physician and his son a legacy The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' See details above! Play trailer 2:39. And not just because its real. Also, by popular demand, a new printing of David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss" featuring Dear Zachary's poster art on its cover is now in stores. to reconsider getting some help with that. Kuenne is able to capture the true nature of love and dedication in a way I have never seen. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? Sometimes, if you are paying attentionclose attentionyou can see it coming, even if only barely. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. KATE: I had a great childhood. I extend my deepest thanks and greatest respect to MP Scott Andrews, his associate Ken Carter, Senator Tommy Banks, his executive assistantThrse Gauthier, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Anne Cools, Gord McIntosh and everyone in Parliament who saw across party lines to support this bill's passage into law. murderer in check. We. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. sixteen years have passed but for the bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again. David Bagby. Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. Because this is where you need it. He said, `What do you mean?' He said, `What can happen?'. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. Dr. Andrew David Bagby (1973-2001) - Find a Grave Memorial The bill now moves to the Senate where it is expected to be embraced in a similar fashion. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. It would take two weeks. Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). June 25, 2008: then one day I realized what it was. It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. Still grieving the death of their son, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland and fought for custody of Zachary. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. And thank God. Help contribute to IMDb. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. Then, suddenly, tears. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. We don't--we don't gush very much. We urge everyone to write your MP (if Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if not) urging them to support MP Andrews and his bill as it moves toward a vote in the near future. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. This is Defector, a new sports blog and media company. His father says, I kissed him and held him. If nothing else is accomplished with this film, it will absolutely attach you to the too-short life that was Andrew Bagby's, and you're going to be sad that you didn't get a chance to know him -- but glad all the same that you know ABOUT him now." But afterwards, all wounded and broken down, you will see the power of the human spirit even in the face of the darkest of souls." And I know, you love me, and--yeah. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. Then, upon. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. "We had to do something..